Homeless in Hawaii

[MakingChange]

I just wanted to say that I'm thinking about the peeps in Hawaii. These are two articles that are coming out about Hawaii's policy. There are two things that Hawaii wants to get rid of it seems. Homeless and garbage. Here are the links to the articles. I didn't want to post them in news because I'm hoping we'll hear from someone in Hawaii, personally.

Hawaii's homeless to be sent back to US mainland

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-mainland.html

Hawaii ready to send its trash up the Columbia River Gorge
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen..._headed_t.html

[MakingChange]

SAFE ZONES HAWAII

http://honoluluweekly.com/diary/2010...e-zones-act-i/

[beatonthestreet]

SAFE ZONES HAWAII

http://honoluluweekly.com/diary/2010...e-zones-act-i/

hmmmm...

It may even need to involve the homeless themselves. Last week, Honolulu Weekly asked homeless people camped at Queenʻs Beach–among those whom officials most urgently want out of the way–whether they would move to Browerʻs proposed Safe Zone on city property in Kakaako. All four people who agreed to speak to the Weekly said they would not.
“There will be drugs, gangs, crime, violence,” said a man who gave his name as Tom. “That’s what we’re all over here in Waikiki to get away from in the first place. I’d rather sit on a bench [on Kalakaua Avenue] all night than get beat up and robbed in Kakaako.”

Is Obama not from Hawaii.. one would have hoped that he may have sympathy to his homeplace..

If not he needs to be made more aware???

[Garlic Breath]

There are a lot of homeless folks in Hawaii, a lot hidden. Car campers, people living in all kinds of holes and nooks and crannies. It doesn't get too hot or cold there, so a person really can live outdoors all year.

There are a lot of different racial groups there and they all hate each other, but they all hold one thing in common: they all hate white people.

You can be white and have grown up there, and they'll never stop hating you. You can be of Filipino extraction or Hispanic, get off the plane and in 5 minutes you're more welcome than a white person who's lived there all their life, or even whose family has been there for generations.

Hawaii is dying, economically. They've betted on tourism and been OK so far, but this Depression we're in is different than a mere slowdown.

The answer? Consider the Beatles song, "Get back, get back, get back to where you once belonged". This is why I live on the Mainland US now. If you are black, better consider scooting back to the Mainland too, they don't like popolos either.

Now, a lot of homeless folks there are of two groups: Hawaiians who have been shafted out of Hawaiian Homestead lands they should have gotten about 50 years ago, and out-competed for jobs by Asians and Filipinos etc., and Mainlanders, mostly white, who ended up homeless in "paradise" or decided consciously to move there and got stuck there.

The best survival strategy one can have in this Depression is to huddle-up with family, or where one can form an effective tribe for survival. I'm white, and originally from the Mainland, there's no future for me in Hawaii no matter how lovely the place is, so I got out. Hard as it sounds, I urge whites in Hawaii to get out and get back together with family on the Mainland, or go back where you grew up, or to someplace on the Mainland (of France, hell I don't care) where you belong. Or suffer an increasingly Jim Crow life in Hawaii.

Obama may be from there, but he went to a snooty private school there called Punahou, they are an elite cadre all to themselves. I know, my parents gave everything to my older sis and put her through Punahou while the rest of us went hungry and went to public schools. Nothing will ever make her feel hunger or want or insecurity short of a large comet hitting the Earth. I'm sure Obama's a nice guy, but he went to Punahou, that says it all. To him, the poor especially white poor, are bugs.

Sorry to sound all racial but that is how life is lived there. I'm actually in favor of giving Hawaii back to the Hawaiians, keep our military bases and postal system etc but pay them rent for the military land, I think we worked out a deal like this for Micronesia or someplace maybe more than one place in the Pacific, and let the Hawaiians run things their way. Read up on the history and you'll see, they got royally screwed.

[Garlic Breath]

OK I'm going to add: Most states have programs to send homeless people back home, if they can show they have friends or relatives who will take them in. Hawaii is just a bit further away from the rest of the US than most places. I'm surprised that program hasn't been in place for a long time.

The economy of Hawaii needs to become more self-sufficient. They CAN grow all their own food, and be very self-sufficient. They need to start doing this NOW. I'm sure there's a self-sufficiency movement, and it's probably tied in with Hawaiian nationalism etc., which is all well and good. Horray for them.

I'm sure homeless folks who have family etc on the Mainland have been sent back informally by sympathetic people etc for a long time, this program just makes it more official. Now, because it will be more official, what it will do is tie in with "Kill Haole Day", and all the other anti-white stuff there. A white homeless person will get even more crap than they already do and they get a lot. It will be used as a way to pressure whites to leave. Think I am exaggerating? Go live there for awhile. This is why I say, don't wait for the rush, act now.

[big boy]

I hate the mokes, lived homeless on maui for eight months got in a fight with one every week. Don't ever move there

[Garlic Breath]

A person can make it on very little money in Hawaii, but it's not an easy place to live if you don't look "local".

[MakingChange]

mmmm...... avocado's. mmmm.... ginger....

[Garlic Breath]

There's a long blog by a guy called Panther about being homeless in Hawaii, his life consisted of eating discarded half or barely eaten plate lunches, collecting "snipes" (cigarette butts) lusting after young guys, and a bout with the "glass pipe". It was interesting to see how easily he could take care of day to day needs, but there's more to life than young guys and the glass pipe lol.

Hawaii is actually a cheap place to live, you can get a room near UH for $200 or so a month, the bus system is pretty good and distances are small enough to bicycle all over the place with ease. The biggest problems are racism if you are white, or at the other end of the spectrum, black, and the possibility that the place will get really "interesting" as this Depression deepens and Hawaii's economy continues to decline.

[Kaltag]

Hawaii is cheap? I need to see it to believe it. I don't mean to be condesceding in any way but on the City Data forums people said that a gallon of milk there is $8. Also I've seen it mentioned in several magazines it is the most expensive place to live, er, survive should be the word.

[MakingChange]

it is a housing strategy for cheap hotel workers.

[Garlic Breath]

Kaltag anything you read about Hawaii being expensive is so full of .... manure.

Prices are slightly lower than places I am familiar with on the Mainland, meaning, California, although in Arizona food is even more expensive since it's taxed at 10% or more.

When the standard, media, "cost of living" is calculated, they factor in buying a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, with a garage/carport, Ranch style house on a standard lot, 1/4-acre I think? That's what drives the price up. For the ordinary working person, Hawaii's a cheap place to live.

Anything printed in a magazine is written for an upper-middle-class audience, who won't live anywhere they can't replicate their US Mainland way of life, foods, etc and that's what drives it up.

That being said, DO NOT move to Hawaii if you are white. Instead, stay on the US Mainland and if you run into a Pacific Islander, spit in their Coke, push 'em in front of a bus, whatever you feel like, they earned it.

[MakingChange]

Council Approves Homeless Sidewalk Bill

Details On Enforcement, Funding Still Unresolved

POSTED: 12:27 pm HST October 13, 2010


HONOLULU -- The Honolulu City Council on Wednesday voted 5-4 to approve a bill that would ban tents and property from certain public sidewalks.It would mean homeless camps would become illegal in those areas.The bill would ban tents, tarps, furniture and personal belongings on public sidewalks in Ala Moana, Kakaako, Kalihi, McCully, Moiliili, Makiki and Dowtown from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m.And in Waikiki – until 2 a.m.Before the vote, the public had one last say.“I don’t consider this bill to be an anti-homeless bill. The bill is trying to clarify the ability for pedestrians to use the sidewalk,” said Rick Egged, of the Waikiki Improvement Association. Fewer people opposed the bill.“Limiting the times and the areas the areas of operation will not solve this problem, only move it. It will move the problem to neighborhood parks,” said Ron Lockwood, of the McCully, Moiliili Neighborhood Board.A Honolulu Police Department representative said the force supports the bill, but is concerned about effective enforcement.Major John McEntire said creating legal boundaries is key.“As long as the pedestrian use zone is accurately and positively indentified by some sort of signage or markings,” McEntire said.City officials said it would take months and roughly $244,000 to survey the areas, install signs and create pedestrian use boundaries.But HPD also expressed concern about a provision that would allow the city to remove and impound property from public sidewalks.“We have concerns about who will be responsible for that. The impoundment, the storage, the notification, the record keeping and the disposal of the property,” McEntire said.Violators would be subject to a $50.00 fine and/or community community service.Mayor Peter Carlisle has ten days to either sign or reject the bill. If he does nothing, the bill automatically becomes law.Carlisle’s managing director, Douglas Chin said the Mayor will review the expenses and other issues raised at Wednesday’s council meeting before he makes his decision.If he signs the bill or allows it to become law, it takes effect 60 days later.

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[Garlic Breath]

They're banning people setting up camp on the sidewalks during the day. From 9PM-7AM people can still camp out. I consider that a reasonable compromise. They let homeless folks camp out on the sidewalks in Paris but at night, not all day.

[Rifleman]

What would it be like away from Honolulu?

[Garlic Breath]

If you went to some of the really out of the way places, like Punaluu for instance where I lived for a few years growing up, you could find a niche for yourself. The weather's not like the Mainland, it is basically never life threatening or even very uncomfortable. You can literally live under a tree or something. If you are a useful person, able and willing to do yard work, be a watchman/handyman like I am here, you can find a place for yourself and fit in. I take it from your other post (about the radio show) that you're a devout Christian, and there's a lot of that in Hawaii. A lot of evangelism.

I notice this all over: That if you're homeless and hang out with the mass of homeless folks camping in a park or any sort of congregating area, then the "smelly mass of homeless people" the public sees, just gets increased by 1. But if you find a niche for yourself, away from the masses, you can make a pretty nice life for yourself.